This just reminds me of that subthread in yesterday's Facebook home device post where people were ranking tech companies. A lot of people put Apple first on respect for privacy.
It's good to have a reminder of the nature of corporations so soon after that. Tools for users to take privacy and security into their own hands need to be made accessible enough to make it truly matter.
Its like herd immunity with vaccinations: it doesn't matter that you use encryption and block trackers if all the people around you provide enough data to make inferences about the private few.
IMHO this is sending a strong signal to people like myself who mainly use an iPhone for privacy reasons. Regardless of whether or not the data is only stored encrypted at the 3rd party, their willingness to compromise in this regard is a strong indicator for their future actions and their commitment to privacy and security.
Money trumps principles plain and simple. My guess is this will continue until the day Apple sales in China decline below a certain level, then they’ll be a ‘brave, principled’ decision announced that they are shutting down iCloud in China or withdrawing from the market altogether.
Apple to FBI: No you can't get into iPhones, our users want security.
Apple to China: Here are the keys
I absolutely believe Apple's foray into China is a huge misstep for the Apple brand.
Imagine when all the censorship and surveillance and the actions taking with personal data start surfacing, they're going to very quickly try to get out. Apple pulling VPN apps off the App Store is just the beginning.
It may be a big market, but I think Apple shouldn't be there under the Apple name, because stuff like this shows me that it's literally a different company.
It's simply not worth the business.
"At Apple, we believe privacy is a fundamental human right."
Unless you live in China in which case your fundamental human rights take a back seat.
I did a Google translate on their Chinese web page:
"At Apple, we treat privacy as the fundamental right of everyone."
Perhaps Google translate messed up and missed the "human rights" part from the Chinese translation, but I'm guessing it didn't.
That might be a mistake. Once Apple makes a deal with China, Russia will ask for the same deal. Russian government want to keep the data in their country too.
Apple's compliance with Beijing is morally weak but financially strong, not just for them but for Apple Developers.
A month ago, Apple noted that it has 1.8 million developers in China (and/or developers publishing to China -- not clear to me). At any rate, the Apple platform has made those developers $17 billion dollars.
So China is big business for Apple developers and I assume many of those developers are US/CA/EU/AU/etc. who benefit from the platform being available in China.
They aren't the first. Microsoft/Skype had to outsource PRC Skype account's to TomTom, Azure has to outsource its PRC cloud operation to a Shanghai utility company, and so on.
If you ever needed a sign that Apple cares more about making money than their user's privacy than this is it. If Apple really respected their user's privacy than they should take a stand and lets the chips fall where they may. If this is the cost of doing business in China then perhaps Apple should rethink its strategy.
They're "good faith" is asking customers to read the Apple Terms and Conditions...
I hate to reference Orwell, but the fact that Apple convinced us all to lie by saying we'd read the T&C and now are telling us that there's "important" information in this unreadable document seems like classic Orwell.
This is probably the way it should be. Multinational corporation have subdivisions that handle local laws and customs.
ex. Facebook Germany should handle all its specific speech laws rather than trying blanket global speech to Germany or EU specific laws.
Though at that point you start losing advantages at scaling depending on implementation.
> iCloud accounts registered outside of China are not affected.
What exactly does this mean? What makes an online account registered in a geographic location? Is it determined by where the iphone is bought, the IP addresses when the registration is made, the email account used for the registration or something else?
As of early 2018, national boundaries combined with linguistic barriers are still more powerful than the internet. Could this change with low Earth orbit satellite internet? (Given the precedents to date, I'd expect the Chinese government to jam the signals or otherwise intervene.)
I am very concerned that now Apple will make exactly same thing with Russian accounts.
This link might come handy: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201389
All you need is a foreign credit/debit card.
This just shows to what extent Apple is willing to bend its rules for China. They're just too dependent on China. China has upper hand here. I've a feeling that one day China might ditch Apple.
Just cleared some of my iCloud photos with faces.
Resistance is useless. WeChat, QQ, AliPay and other complied third-party online services are more than enough. As long as you are connected in the Matrix, it has you.
A correct title would be:
I guess I understand. It is either the market or the privacy and security of their Chinese user. They chose the market so all of our retirement funds still hold their face values.
Apple sold out all China iCloud accounts
Another chance for Apple to stand up and do the right thing, and it flinched because it would rather have money than morals.
And don't give me the standard amoral shareholders whine. Apple is already on record as saying it would rather do the right thing than make money, and if investors don't like it they can go pound sand.
Now Apple's sold out a billion people.
How long until the Chinese government requires access to the Secure Enclave chips in iDevices?
"Cloud Big Data Industrial Development Co"? Doesn't sound sketchy at all.
Other countries need to reciprocate this action. If you're a Chinese company and you collect user data, that data will be managed by a third party company that is owned by the host nation and if you don't like it, you have to leave the country. This should be a retaliatory measure. There's no reason Chinese companies should get to gobble up Dutch data or something and then inevitably use that for spam and scam, and then cry foul about some other company gathering user data about Chinese users. I don't have an issue with China, but when they do these types of things, then I believe other countries should reciprocate the action. China can either play fair, or lose access to other international markets and just sell products locally to China.
Much as I hate Trump, I'd love for him to do something about China. If China won't open their tech markets maybe we force them to.
PS: don't make this a Trump hate sub thread. Stay on topic if you reply to me
In Europe we need to do like in China. Or our tech industry is doomed to stay small...